Friday, October 3, 2008

Debate: Group B!

Hey group B (Aaron, Helen, Jimmy, David, Grace, Huy, Annie, Joanne, Nemin, and Justin). This is Alexandra setting this up to organize our points and such for the debate on Wednesday! Just a reminder, we will be arguing:

The American Revolution, in light of previous revolutions and the American
Revolution's causes, instigators, and events was not revolutionary.
We will need to compile information from as far back as the French and Indian War. Maybe beginning around 1763 and ending at 1783, at the Treaty of Paris. We can all look through the documents Ms. Chipman has provided for us and can make different points we can talk about for the debate and we should also make lists of what the other group would most likely be talking about. Make any comments about the information you can. When writing your comments, it might be helpful if we sight the sources like we would be doing during the debate. As a group, we should help each other out and plan what each person will be saying during the debate so we all can help one another get participation points. We also need to compile large amounts of information to be sure can can keep the debate going, otherwise our grade will be lowered. This is a group project. For those who are having difficulties finding the documents, here is a link for the documents.

Also, something that really helps me learn and remember some of the dates and information is by watching a show called Liberty's Kids. This show is all about the American revolution and the events leading up to it (ex. The Boston Tea Party). Below is the theme song from the show so when you search for it, you are looking at the correct thing:

8 comments:

Alexandra said...

So we can use this blog to talk about this debate! Post stuff when you are ready and we can begin brainstorming.

Nemin said...

so as a group are we all supposed to put our ideas up and evaluate it on this page? well wouldn't that make it easier for group B to see our ideas and create great rebuttles to what we have to say?

Nemin said...

my bad group A

Alexandra said...

That is true, but they also have a group blog (which Lisa started) and we can see their information. We just need to trust each other and know that our arguments are stronger than the opposing team's.

Alexandra said...

First, we have to understand what the question is asking us: Definition of revolutionary - Constituting or bringing about a major or fundamental change (from meriamwebster.com). Now that we know that, we have to prove it with information from out book as well as the sources Ms. Chipman provided us with. In the reading, one example of non-revolution is Shay’s Rebellion in 1786. The rebellion was an attempt to lighten taxes and stop land acquisition, which is what the colonists had wanted to do in the Revolutionary battles against Britain. Although the framers did rebel and attempt to create change, after the first few men were killed, “the movement collapsed”. Because revolution means bringing change, the fact that after America gained Independence, the Americans were still fighting for lower taxes which the individual states began to impose. There was no real change with regard to taxes.
On page 166 of our text book, the author says that “The American Revolution was not a revolution in the sense of a radical or total change. It did not suddenly and violently overturn the entire political and social framework, as later occurred in the French and Russian revolutions. What happened was accelerated evolution…” The text book also brings up the issue of the abolition of slavery. Slavery was not abolished for some time, although the issue was pressed by many, because the ideas circulating in the Americas were not truly revolutionary ideas. If we also look back to the Stamp Act Congress, the Association, and other colonial radical events, not only did many people not follow in these revolutionary actions, but they also were not very successful compared to revolutions in other countries.

JUSTIN said...

The colonies underwent more of an economic governance that suited their likes and needs, but their government was not totally reformed, and ended up with a similar principle as that of Britain, with a main figure holding elevated power, and lesser figures with decision making power, having to appeal to the top figure to get anything done.

Anonymous said...

Also about Women and Slaves, women were still treated as housewives and like just limited power compare to men while slaves were also still around and stuff

Nemin said...

These are the questions we need to consider as a group:

1.) What is the definition of revolutionary?

2.) What is the definition of non - revolutionary

3.) What makes an events revolutionary (or non - revolutionary)?

4.) based on the answers from #3 does the American revolution meet the criteria fully for either situations?

5.)What were the vents and actions that took place during the american revolution?

6.)What decisions if any di the leaders of the American revolutionary make and were they radical?

In my opinion the American Revolution was revolutionary in the definition of what revolutionary is, as alexandra stated revolution means to throw over a current government and replace it with a new one. It is usually ignited when the governed feel a lack of freedom or a violation of their human rights. This war was non revolutionary in the sense that

1.) changes in the ruling class
2.) changes in attitudes about institutions
3.) changes in the institutions themselves

none of the above seem to have been a major outcome of the american revolution.